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Offline Garhom13

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The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« on: October 26, 2011, 07:59:05 pm »
I am very sure that I can assume that all of you, just like me, want much much more Golden Sun. I have a theory that I believe to be very good, although not infallible. Not only that it proposes a reasonable way to have many more installments in this series. Anyway onto my theory.

First we have to deal with game number four. This is the easiest one to work out and has the most support for it. I believe that just as Issac was guarding the area of greatest light as the Sol Sanctum, Felix will be guarding the opposite, the place of greatest darkness which I think to be Anemos Inner Sanctum. This is due to the fact of Dullahan being housed here for the first encounter with him. As of right now, Dullahan is the closest we have to ultimate evil. The Proxian antagonists from the first two games only wanted to save their people. Tuaparang is merely a power hungry nation with an inclination toward bad deeds to get that power. Alex is the same way to a bigger extreme. Dullahan on the other hand, claims to guard light from being used. That is an act of evil and darkness. I also believe that they will not have shared their theory with anybody else barring possibly Kraden. Issac would have told Garet that they were studying aftereffects of the Golden Sun. Felix will be with Sheba and will have told her that they were looking for her ancestry. I think Sheba as they seem to have a close friendship, and she is the only other original eight adept not accounted for if I am not much mistaken (then again, perhaps I could be mistaken.... it has happened before). Both of their children (not going to comment on potential marital status), and possibly Ahri (or whatever the wind adept in Anemos was called) will travel to solve some problem that will occur while they are there. Along the way their party will grow to eight, they will join with Piers who will take them on his boat, and they will be plagued by the two other generals from Tuaparang. All of these events will take place along side the events in Dark Dawn. At the end of the game Felix will decide they need to check up on Issac and they will arrive at the Sol Sanctum mere moments after Matthew, Karis, and Tyrell.

In game five, Felix, Sheba, and Piers will rush off to the Sol Sanctum, telling the children to find the other three Warriors of Vale, and the five other characters from Dark Dawn. Rief and Kraden will join the group almost immediately, and they will have to relocate the other adepts, while battling all four Tuaparang generals. I really haven't worked much else out for this game, and some side quests and such will need to be added in order to make it longer and more fleshed out.

Onward to game six. In this game you will proceed back into the Sol Sanctum and once inside you will find that all this time there has been an underground civilization. You will find the adepts that proceeded you fairly quickly and then help out the city that has taken you in. All to soon you will find that they worship Dullahan, or some other ultimate evil. They are also the cause of the psynergy vortexes and have been siphoning power for themselves. You must defeat Dullahan as a storyline boss, destroy the way to make psynergy vortexes, and topple the civilization to prevent future darkness.

Finally game seven, the last game in my theory. You will return to the surface to find that time moved differently underground and that about 100 years have passed. In this time Tuaparang has taken over all of Weyard. In this game you must find a way to face off against the leader of Tuaparang and defeat him. After you do so, he tells you about how Alex had been pulling the strings from the beginning (just like we all thought) and has outsmarted us all. He was expecting Issac to get part of the Golden Sun and used it to make Issac cocky, then took it without Issac knowing. Then, when Dullahan was defeated in the last game, Alex confronted him and took all of Dullahan's power as well. After gaining Dullahan's power, he is going to go defeat the Wise One and take his power as well. You must race off to stop him, and arrive just in time to watch the Wise One get defeated. You get the rest... beat Alex in a crazy fight that takes forever and makes Dullahan look like a sissy. Yeah, fun stuff.

Now for some general game-play stuff. First a new way to have different adepts in battle will need to be implemented. If you can have four of any one type of adept against a boss that is weak to them, it would trivialize their difficulty. The level cap would need to be drastically raised by the time the seventh game roles out. Also another thing would be raising the number of djinn, and making new and more powerful classes available.

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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 03:04:07 am »
Those four stories could be done in 2 games. We don't need more games being giant side quests... :P


I seriously don't see Dullahan making his way into the main plot. It's not impossible mind you, just very unlikely.

Going to nitpick a bit. Ahri was in Contigo, not Anemos.

The underground cult adepts is a neat Idea. But, Tuaparang is already evil, they are believed to be dark adepts after all. Don't need two evils about. Would make it more interesting though.

The Tuaparang conquering all of Weyard is a grand idea, something fresh. But, I have a feeling they will be dealt with before such happens. Still a grand idea, like, a post-apocalyptic Golden Sun.

I'm surprised you didn't involve the Anemos in neither of your four games.

Those are some of my queries about your theory.

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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 03:14:39 am »
7 games? damn dude. i dont want to wait that long for a conclusion.
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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 04:23:13 am »
Seven games revolving around the same blank characters? Nope.

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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 01:53:16 pm »
truly I believe that there is some, but not total correlation between darkness and evil, the same with light and goodness. Dark powers can be used in good ways, just as light powers can be used in evil ways. I personally have a deep fantasy background in reading, and a little writing that has lead me to truly believe this.

@sunsoulaevis: I was totally asking for any and all opinions about this topic. And if nobody is there to correct my little mistakes, I will end up looking like an idiot at some point. I haven't played the games most recently so not all the little things are in my head.

@hippielama: As sunsoulaevis said, this could easily be shortened to two games, I just like seven, and at the time of my thought process, thats what came out.... and not to point out the obvious, but you would only have to wait four games, not seven you have (im assuming) played the first three already

@samsneeze: if you hate the characters so much then why do you play the game they are in....? obviously you have some connection to the game besides character that makes them good to you. Perhaps you should try a slightly more optimistic view on life..... just saying

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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 09:23:40 pm »
Camelot will go bankrupt from GSDD and there won't be a fourth Golden Sun...

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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 11:36:21 pm »
Some of the stuff said, such as the undeground city and such, doesn't have a lot (if any) basis, but it is, overall, an interesting theory. Parts may even happen, though likely not all of it.

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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2011, 12:28:20 am »
Your ideas are good (although that many games might be a little much), but I noticed something: not once do you mention the (slight?) possibility of Felix's half-Proxian Mars Adept daughter as the main character.

WHAT IS THIS.

Anyways.  Go to this thread if you want to see some plot speculations I had for DD that could fit into future games.
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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2011, 12:56:09 am »
First of all, Dullahan has always been an after-game optional boss, so I really can't see him being put into the storyline-- especially not so soon. After all, some of us defeated him in DD and 30 years before, as well. Just about as likely as Iris being put into the main storyline... Anyways, where was I... Ah, yes. Alex. He's not some maniac bent on world domination. Everything he's done so far has had a purpose, and he is completely capable of hiding his feelings/intentions. He's also not just doing these things for immortality. He has all the knowledge of the surviving mercury clan, as well as that of prox, and not to mention everything he's learned in the past 30 years. He's showed many times that he knows a lot more about how alchemy and the world works than you do (or Kraden for that matter). He's motivated, and I doubt he wants to see the world destroyed by psynergy vortexes any more than you do. I'm sure he doesn't like being lower than the Tuaparung(sp?) king(they do have a king, right?), but I'm also certain he's manipulating the king the entire time. To be honest, I think he's interested in restoring the world to the way it was before the sealing.

One other thing that strikes me as important is that the world is flat. It's certainly not that way just because our world is round and the developers wanted to see the look on your face when you found out otherwise. Yes, the world eroding due to the lack of alchemy thing is certainly a part of it, but I think it signifies something a bit bigger. It's flat. You live on one side. There is another side, no? Either in the 4th or the 5th game there is going to be some sort of alternate/opposite realm, whether it's a mirror dimension, a realm existing beyond the psynergy vortexes, or where you land when you go over Gaia falls in a barrel. The overworld and few existing caves are simply too little to explore. I tend to think this sort of place fills the whole light vs dark theme a lot better than Dullahan, and I certainly doubt the realm of darkness is going to be a series of linked caverns underground.

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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 04:23:02 am »
Your ideas are good (although that many games might be a little much), but I noticed something: not once do you mention the (slight?) possibility of Felix's half-Proxian Mars Adept daughter as the main character.

WHAT IS THIS.

Anyways.  Go to this thread if you want to see some plot speculations I had for DD that could fit into future games.


Maybe because this Aurelia is just a wished character?

Seeing how Dark Dawn destroyed most shippings aside Valeshipping I am not really daring to say anything about Felix's child. It's not unlikely he has a son or that the main character is Matthew once again.

Especially if we take in count that there is no proof that Karst survived nor she had a relationship with Felix. That with the creators sinking most ships and ignoring many loose ends of TLA (Isaac's part of the Golden Sun, Beyond the Gaia Falls, Felix's terrible fate, etc.) makes Aurelia's existance just wishful thinking even more.

I could be missing something though.
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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 04:49:08 am »
Especially if we take in count that there is no proof that Karst survived nor she had a relationship with Felix. That with the creators sinking most ships and ignoring many loose ends of TLA (Isaac's part of the Golden Sun, Beyond the Gaia Falls, Felix's terrible fate, etc.) makes Aurelia's existance just wishful thinking even more.
Well, Aurelia isn't necessarily the result of Felix/Karst (although that would be awesome) - she's just Felix's (speculated) half-Proxian daughter.  And I only have Encablossa's word for this, but apparently a hack of TLA reveals that some of the women in Prox found Felix rather attractive.
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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 04:53:54 am »
Well, Aurelia isn't necessarily the result of Felix/Karst (although that would be awesome) - she's just Felix's (speculated) half-Proxian daughter.  And I only need samsneeze's word for this, but a hack of TLA reveals that some of the women in Prox found Felix rather attractive.
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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 04:56:37 am »
Well, Aurelia isn't necessarily the result of Felix/Karst (although that would be awesome) - she's just Felix's (speculated) half-Proxian daughter.  And I only have Encablossa's word for this, but apparently a hack of TLA reveals that some of the women in Prox found Felix rather attractive.

Yeah, I remember that, it was pretty amusing.  ;D Still if the next GS has Felix's child as the protagonist it would be nice to have a female adept for a change. If the game followed the relationships with characters Felix would be reduced to Sheba or Karst in terms of coupling...but it's likely he married (that is if he went into relationship after disappearing) a NPC or who knows after Dark Dawn.

Would be cool if he went with one of them though.

And for Felix himself to have sold his soul to Tuaparang with yet another extremist good intentions. But that's just wishful thinking from a fan after reading a ffic.
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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 05:40:46 am »


as much as i would like karst to come back she wont because she isnt important enough.
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Re: The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 02:31:53 pm »
I personally think treating strange fanshipping fantasies as pseudo-fact is really weird, but whatevs. ^.^;

At any rate, I'd very much prefer that they resolve this arc in one or at most two more games. They can skip around to different generations or even prequels if they so desire after that, but it'd be depressing if this suffered from Shenmue syndrome and only got so far before they dropped the series completely without giving us any sort of closure.
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