The Future of Golden Sun (theories, not facts)

[Vitacrucis]

I personally think treating strange fanshipping fantasies as pseudo-fact is really weird, but whatevs. ^.^;

At any rate, I'd very much prefer that they resolve this arc in one or at most two more games. They can skip around to different generations or even prequels if they so desire after that, but it'd be depressing if this suffered from Shenmue syndrome and only got so far before they dropped the series completely without giving us any sort of closure.

Yeah, I think the same but it's just wishful thinking I guess. Though some months ago when the game was recently out Aurelia was, for shippers, an already confirmed character and pretty mary sued by some. Guess things calmed down.

Having a fifth game wouldn't be bad, so long we don't have to wait 5 or so years in a cliffhanger.

[samsneeze]

I personally think treating strange fanshipping fantasies as pseudo-fact is really weird, but whatevs. ^.^;

If it's speculation and in no way derives from fanfiction, there is nothing wrong with it. Adding a half-proxian protagonist to the story would be an interesting turn of events.

At any rate, I'd very much prefer that they resolve this arc in one or at most two more games. They can skip around to different generations or even prequels if they so desire after that, but it'd be depressing if this suffered from Shenmue syndrome and only got so far before they dropped the series completely without giving us any sort of closure.

Agreed, except this would probably be the mildest case of Shenmue syndrome ever. I would personally love to see a prequel to the series.

[Lunar Eclipse]

If it's speculation and in no way derives from fanfiction, there is nothing wrong with it. Adding a half-proxian protagonist to the story would be an interesting turn of events.

If it's speculation that it's possible, there's no problem, but people were seriously treating the fan invention of Aurelia as if she were canon for a while. To me, it was odd, and to new people, I'm sure it was downright confusing.

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If it's speculation that it's possible, there's no problem, but people were seriously treating the fan invention of Aurelia as if she were canon for a while. To me, it was odd, and to new people, I'm sure it was downright confusing.

True. That was bit silly. I think it's mainly due to the fact that whenever someone new joined, the more aggressive shippers(Ex. Encablossa) would shove it down everyone's throat.

Anyway, here's the "original" theory. Feel free to point out any problems you have with it.
The fact that Felix "Left his homeland---and has not been seen since." suggests that he most likely ended up alone more than anything to me. There is no indication that Sheba went with him nor is there any that Felix took her along. If they are traveling together I believe there would have been some indication in either of the two Encyclopedia entries. Since the "Warriors of Vale" are considered a "controversial group"and based on the version of the story the Golden Sun Saga told, which is apparently a big hit throughout Angara, we can assume that Felix took a lot of the blame for what happened as a possible reason for why he left. Where would someone who is no longer welcome in the place he once called home go? He could be out traveling the world doing random heroics or would he go to the place he spent living for three years, a place where he was well liked by many of the villagers, a place where someone would actually be grateful to him. If it's the case of the latter, Felix seemingly most likely ended up in Prox.

It's probably a bit shaky since I can't remember details as well as I could before.

[Vitacrucis]

True. That was bit silly. I think it's mainly due to the fact that whenever someone new joined, the more aggressive shippers(Ex. Encablossa) would shove it down everyone's throat.

Anyway, here's the "original" theory. Feel free to point out any problems you have with it.
The fact that Felix "Left his homeland---and has not been seen since." suggests that he most likely ended up alone more than anything to me. There is no indication that Sheba went with him nor is there any that Felix took her along. If they are traveling together I believe there would have been some indication in either of the two Encyclopedia entries. Since the "Warriors of Vale" are considered a "controversial group"and based on the version of the story the Golden Sun Saga told, which is apparently a big hit throughout Angara, we can assume that Felix took a lot of the blame for what happened as a possible reason for why he left. Where would someone who is no longer welcome in the place he once called home go? He could be out traveling the world doing random heroics or would he go to the place he spent living for three years, a place where he was well liked by many of the villagers, a place where someone would actually be grateful to him. If it's the case of the latter, Felix seemingly most likely ended up in Prox.

It's probably a bit shaky since I can't remember details as well as I could before.

Was pretty bad that Felix actually passed down in history as a traitor when he was the main hero along Isaac and also the first one to know what was going on in Weyard.

Though it does take a safe way by saying he ended up living in Prox and making his life there.

With absolutely no info on Felix at this point everything is pretty open for any speculation around him.

Hell, even I had, months ago a theory depicting how Felix once went the route of well intentioned extremist and joined Tuaparang by taking this fake image in the Sun Saga and him leaving as well.

[Lunar Eclipse]

Since the "Warriors of Vale" are considered a "controversial group"and based on the version of the story the Golden Sun Saga told, which is apparently a big hit throughout Angara, we can assume that Felix took a lot of the blame for what happened as a possible reason for why he left. Where would someone who is no longer welcome in the place he once called home go?

Eh, he might be considered markedly more responsible among those who already don't like the adepts and generally don't appreciate the Golden Sun phenomenon, but among his own people, I don't think there's any disdain toward him. I also don't think the Sun Saga paints as poor a picture of him as people seem to think. Yes, books 1-3 lump him in with "fiends", but the first game in the series, which is what those books cover, does the same thing. Book 4 tells of his heroism throughout the world and describes how Isaac and company begin to question his motives. This is immediately followed by Felix saving Isaac and explaining (alongside Kraden) the perils of keeping Alchemy sealed. Book 5 starts pretty triumphantly with Isaac and Felix joining forces and ultimately succeeding. Yes, it ignores Isaac's ceding of control to Felix, but in the interest of a cohesive, child-friendly narrative, it's all told from Isaac's perspective with a unifying heroic figure. It's a bit unfair to Felix in terms of giving credit where it's due, but it certainly doesn't make him seem evil unless you just stop with book 3.

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Kraden was the one who told Isaac of Weyard's impending destruction, Felix was represented as just being there. Even after Felix joined, there was nothing more added to his character other than he joined with Isaac's party. The only really redeeming thing about him represented in the books other than him saving Izumo and going through Ankhol, was him saving Isaac & Co.. If left alone(which we kind of have to do since they weren't explored in detail why he did them), these things can be seen as a him doing them as a means to an end. He doesn't care about the result, so long as what he's doing gets him closer to lighting the beacons. I get what you're saying about how books four and five are Felix's "I'm a good guy now" things, but you see it as opposite of the same spectrum. You believe that the blame for the Golden Sun event was evenly spread among those who dislike adepts in general, while I think that most of it was pushed on Felix. Neither is necessarily wrong, it's just a matter of interpreting the books differently.

[Lunar Eclipse]

My point is that the heroic actions of Felix in Book 4 mirror pretty closely the heroic actions of Isaac in the previous books, particularly from a visual standpoint. It shows Felix slaying the Izumo serpent and defeating Briggs with essentially the same animations as Isaac when he faced off against the Altin statue-beast in Book 3. Felix's defeat of Karst and Agatio also mirrors Isaac's defeat of Saturos and Menardi (quite literally, in fact; Isaac stands on the right with the enemy on the left while Felix stands on the left with the enemy on the right). Additionally, when the issue of what path to take is raised at the Jupiter Lighthouse, it clearly delineates between what each character stands for, with Isaac shown facing right when the author discusses leaving Alchemy's seal in place and Felix shown facing left when the author discusses unleashing Alchemy to ultimately save the world. Finally, when the teams unite, Isaac and Felix are shown to have equal footing atop the character pyramid, having joined forces to become co-heroes. I think his redemption is made quite clear in spite of what's said about him in 1-3.

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I think his redemption is made quite clear in spite of what's said about him in 1-3.

And I don't, which is where the difference in opinion comes in.

I still see what you're saying. You believe that Isaac and Felix were equally represented (Like I said before.) and I think Felix got the shorter end of the stick. You were playing close attention to the animations, I was just viewing what was said among them in the stories. Like I said before, it comes down to interpretations, neither is necessarily right or wrong.

[Lunar Eclipse]

Oh, I would agree that Felix got the short end of the stick. He's certainly not discussed as much and the story is told from the point of view of Isaac's party, so you don't get as clear a representation of him as main protagonist material as you would if you'd played The Lost Age directly or whatever. I just think it's taking things too far to imagine that he lives elsewhere because people dislike him when it's made pretty clear that a) his family and friends were obviously happy to see him at the end of the original duology, b) the other adepts live in a region that is generally hospitable to the adept lifestyle and therefore probably aren't subjected to daily scrutiny with regard to the Golden Sun event, and c) he is still credited as being one of the Warriors of Vale, who generally seem to be highly regarded throughout Angara. No matter how short his stick, it's still a hero's stick in the end, and the Sun Saga doesn't contradict that. Now, if people want to assume that he lives apart because of inner turmoil over the fact that he ultimately convinced Isaac and company to light the lighthouses and subsequently caused an inordinate number of natural disasters and potentially the Mourning Moon to boot, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. Then it's him perceiving subverted disdain from others and personally taking greater responsibility for what happened. I just don't think that there's any in-game evidence to suggest that the people in general think any less of Felix than the rest of the Warriors, Isaac aside.

[Garhom13]

Not to derail this thoroughly interesting conversation about how Felix is supposedly viewed in the world, but I have been thinking and have taken many opinions into account, and have revised my theory slightly. Note this has nothing to do with conformity, I am just slightly lazy and didn't feel like replaying all three games thoroughly before getting this out, so here it is.

The 4th and 5th game are now combined into one. The quest that Felix will give you will now be shorter by a little, to make room for the next game as well. The basic stuff stays the same, and I believe I have a reasonable guess as to the characters for the game even. If Felix is to marry Sheba, then they will have twins, an earth adept and a wind adept. A Proxian will be studying with Felix due to his ties with Prox, and Piers's child will be your fourth adept. If however Felix is with a Proxian (or any other person, it just seems that Proxian seems to be the most popular idea) he will still have twins, just they will now be earth and fire, and the random Proxian will go away. Sheba I can see with Piers due to their friendly relationship in the Lost Age. If this is so, there are your wind and water adepts. Now for your second party. Arhi is an obvious conclusion for wind adept. A Proxian would make the most sense for a fire adept. Water would be Nowell, and Earth would be Susa's child (I really can't remember names very well unless they are simple so...)

Continuing with the previous game, they do their thing, stop the problem at Anemos Inner Sanctum, and go to Sol Sanctum. They re-recruit the other eight members as well as any and all of the Warriors of Vale. They proceed into the Sol Sanctum and there game 4 ends now.

The 6th and 7th games are also combined into one. You go into the Sol Sanctum and perhaps you find yourself in the underground city previously described, but you could also be on the other side of the world as previously suggested. You still fight them and the ultimate dark power, possibly Dullahan, possibly someone else; and take out the psynergy vortexes. I don't know, I don't care at this point. You still must fight and defeat the leader of Tuaparang, and I think it would be most interesting if Tuaparang had taken over the whole of Weyard in your time underground. You still must take down Alex who.... (I had a brainwave) has fled to Anemos, which is in orbit around Weyard. He has set up “base” there, and has been there for a long period of time. From here he plans to attack the Wise One and take his power along with the ultimate evil to make himself the most powerful being ever. You go through Anemos and beat him the preliminary time. At this Alex will laugh and and tell you how pathetic you are. Then he will teleport away. You must follow him into the Wise One's realm (which needs to have awesome graphics and a totally sweet setting) and there you will have the final confrontation with Alex (which also needs to be very long, and have many parts).

Some general stuff that I have also revamped. We will need a major level cap boost. By the end of the 4th game you will be nearing the level cap of 99. The cap will need to be raised a lot, somewhere between 200 and 999. If they wish to input harder modes, where battles get extreme, then 999 may be required. If not then a lower cap would work. We will also need a bunch of new djinn. By the end of the 4th game, you will have 9 djinn for each person. They will need to raise the amount to 11 or 13 djinn per person