True Intentions

[LadyVale]

I need fans to bounce ideas back and forth about Dark Dawn.
The largest questions that stands for me is : WHAT IS EVERYONE'S TRUE INTENTIONS!!?

1. Blados and Chalis, the fashioned Umbra Clan. Why did they plan on using the Apollo Lens to attack the Tuaparang airship near Sol Sanctum instead of working WITH the High Empyror? (Alex mentioned that he didn't trust the generals)

2. Why did the High Empyror wish for the Apollo Lens to equal out the eclipse and NOT use it as a weapon towards Sol Sanctum. (I believe the Apollo lens can't be used again unless it consumes a large amount of darkness, if so, can it absorb darkness from LONG distance? If so, are these the reasons for the psynergy vortexes?)

3.  Why did Alex help the Tuaparang and not the Umbra clan? Why did he wish to end the eclipse? And if he lied about everything, is he the Empyror? or is he just lying to everyone once again for his own final scheme?

4. How will the effect of light on the Belinsk beastpeople have with the plot? Did Alex wish for them to become a light clan on purpose? or the High Empyror for that matter.

5. If Alex warned Isaac beforehand about the eclipse, what did Piers plan on accomplishing on the other side of the atlas?

6. If there is a machine for light and darkness on one side, are there mirroring machines on the other? And if so, could it be possible that there is a a dark sol sanctum that created the Mourning Moon in place of the Golden Sun?

7. Did the Mourning Moon generate power like the Golden Sun? Could the High Empyror have used it? Or Alex?

8. Could the Mourning Moon BE Anemos?





If Belinsk's eclipse blanketed Sol sanctum in darkness, how did this effect Isaac?

[sunsoulaevis]

I haven't technically formed complete theories on all things, but...

You got a few things mixed up, so please don't bite off my head for correcting some of them

1. The targets set by B&C were the area "around" Sol Sanctum, not it directly (IIRC), and the Tuaparang ship. The "area around Sol Sanctum" could possibly meaning the Mourning Moon was a target.

There was theory (NOT MINE) of a Silver Moon, where the Apollo Lens fires upon the mourning Moon and the massive vortex somehow absobs all of that energy and transform into a similar burst of energy like the golden sun. I was quite keen to that theory, but unsure what it would accomplish. Which really can be left to the imagination.

As for it hitting the Tuaparang ship, could go multiple ways Destruction, Absorbption(meh) or Blessing like what happened with Belinsk. Though, I think the later was more the result of the Eclipse Tower than just Apollo's doing.

2. He may have use of the Belinsk Light adepts.
The Apollo Lens is powered by the other psynergy machines in the vicintiy of it (well, forge & dynamo). Or so Himi says when you meet up with her. I honestly have no clue if it can be fired again or not.

3. This is where it gets somewhat confusing and unclear. The Umbra Clan is the Tuaparang and the Tuaparang are the Zenith Tribe. But, the curious thing is we don't know if the Tuaparang are, like, a faction of the Umbra clan or not. As there may be more people of the Umbra Clan out there in Weyard. Again, I'm not 100% certain on it.

He did what needed to be done. It's obvious there's more to this than just make a bunch of beatsmen light adepts.

Alex the Empyror, lol. Never even thought of that, he'd possibly have it in him to pull that off. But, only if the Empyror is not seen by many, or something else is at play there.

The final scheme thing is more likely to me, and Alex is just puppetering the Empyror (and effectively Tuaparang) to his will.

4. Light Adept Beatsmen, Well I want to say maybe they (whoever Alex or Empyror) need their abilities to activate other psynergy machines. Like how in Dynamo/Eclipse Tower there were multiple security/test points for adepts of multiple attributes. The thing that got me was that the north ward (in dynamo) said "It's great to see the clans acting in concert once again." Paraphrasing here, I can find the exact quote if needed. But, it seems Dynamo was built with multiple clans involved and perhaps other alchemy machines like that one are the same way.
All in all they may just need a adept with such powers to activate things.
-I know very redundant, but was trying to get my point across-

I'm going to stop here for now, and will pick up with this at a later time.

[Ragnarok913]

8.  Isn't the Mourning Moon just a giant psynergy vortex? If that's the case, how exactly could Anemos be associated with it? Forgive me if I'm wrong, I haven't picked up the game in a few months 

[Lunar Eclipse]

Indeed, the Mourning Moon was just a particularly large vortex, and it supposedly recurs regularly. During Dark Dawn, it's about time for its next appearance, hence why Isaac and Garet are being particularly vigilant and have presumably been away from Kalay for an extended period of time. I suppose Jenna and Ivan stayed behind in case evacuations were necessitated by the Mourning Moon's recurrence.

At any rate, to slightly alter what Sunsoul said, Zenith Tribe = Tuaparang = descendants of the Umbra Clan. Whether or not all Tuaparang still retain dark psynergy is unclear. In fact, I'd say that there's more evidence to point toward most Tuaparang being incapable of dark psynergy since Alex notes that the Tua Warriors that appear in the Apollo Sanctum are different from the others your party has faced specifically because of the dark powers flowing through them. That being the case, I suppose the better question is whether the majority of the Tuaparang know they're descended from the Umbra Clan or, if they do, if they fully understand the psynergetic capabilities of their ancestors. I personally think the High Empyror's appearance will clear most of this up, but at this point, all we have to go on are Arcanus' suppositions during the short conversation directly preceding the final battle sequence.

[LadyVale]

1. The targets set by B&C were the area "around" Sol Sanctum, not it directly (IIRC), and the Tuaparang ship. The "area around Sol Sanctum" could possibly meaning the Mourning Moon was a target.

There was theory (NOT MINE) of a Silver Moon, where the Apollo Lens fires upon the mourning Moon and the massive vortex somehow absobs all of that energy and transform into a similar burst of energy like the golden sun. I was quite keen to that theory, but unsure what it would accomplish. Which really can be left to the imagination.



3. This is where it gets somewhat confusing and unclear. The Umbra Clan is the Tuaparang and the Tuaparang are the Zenith Tribe. But, the curious thing is we don't know if the Tuaparang are, like, a faction of the Umbra clan or not. As there may be more people of the Umbra Clan out there in Weyard. Again, I'm not 100% certain on it.

1. That's an interesting theory.
If they wanted a weapon to fire at Sol Sanctum so they could access it/destroy it, although I still wonder why B&C and the Empyror would have two different motives.

ok..lemme see if I understand (because I find it confusing myself)

Umbra Clan = Tuaparang :  the old umbra clan took the title of an old military country?
Tuaparang = Zenith tride : the military clan style a new name for themselves?

yet they all be descendants of a once umbra clan?
eeeh?


and as always my thoughts are left on Alex-

WHY THE HELL IS ALEX DOING WITH THESE PEOPLE!?!?!
Seriously stoner!Alex, what are you smoking that you have to manipulate everyone still >:c

I don't get why ending the eclipse is more important to him then getting to Sol Sanctum - unless- he wants the light beastmen OR he needs the Tuparang just a little bit longer for his scheme.

and if so, we won't find out until the 5th game (if there is one) because the 4th game (if there is one) will probably be about whatever the heck Piers is working on.

and although everyone is freaking about 'darkness' and the mourning moon, I can't help but think of alchemy text:

"To every light, there is darkness.
To every darkness, there is light."

You can't have one without the other, so just because they are dark doesn't always equal evil?

screw it all, It probably has something to do with Alex loving Matthew XXDD

[Lunar Eclipse]

ok..lemme see if I understand (because I find it confusing myself)

Umbra Clan = Tuaparang :  the old umbra clan took the title of an old military country?
Tuaparang = Zenith tride : the military clan style a new name for themselves?

yet they all be descendants of a once umbra clan?
eeeh?

Again, this is all supposition because the conversation is short and vague, but I'd imagine the order of operations here is more along the lines of Umbra Clan -> Zenith Tribe -> Tuaparang. The Umbra Clan, practitioners of dark psynergy, existed long ago when Alchemy still reigned supreme. When Alchemy was sealed, their powers ultimately vanished and their people scattered. I actually think it's possible that light and dark psynergies are artificial and are powered by the various dynamos, forges, towers, and whatnot, so it's possible that the abilities of dark and light psynergists dissipated much more rapidly than those of the other clans since they relied on technology that died with the Golden Age. At any rate, many centuries later, Alchemy returns, and the few Umbra who remained together find some of their old technologies reawakening, much like those in Harapa, Passaj, and Ayuthay, which were all brought back from the brink of destruction. At this point, it's possible that they no longer remembered their identity as the Umbra Clan, much as the beastmen had forgotten their identities, and so took to the skies in their reawakened airship, calling themselves the Zenith Tribe. Then, when their ranks swelled once more, they took on the national name of the ancient civilization of Tuaparang, perhaps to lend an air of establishment and entitlement to their cause, whatever that might be. So, they consider their national affiliation to be Tuaparang, but they are the Zenith Tribe. Tuaparang is to Zenith as Prox is to Mars. Umbra is just the name of their ancestors, and potentially the name they'll use in the future now that the powers of dark and light are truly starting to reawaken. How Alex, Blados, and Chalis knew about the Umbra, how the Empyror is involved, and what the ultimate goal of Tuaparang is are total mysteries. These are things we really can't hypothesize about without simply drawing things from thin air.

- unless- he wants the light beastmen

I think this is most likely. Alex and/or the Empyror almost certainly need light and dark psynergies both reawakened for some greater purpose.

[LadyVale]

Oh that makes more sense.

Again, this is all supposition because the conversation is short and vague,

Is it ever...that's why I had to come to the GSR to straighten it all out

MEOW - Were the beastmen in Belinsk (and Sveta) said to be of the ancient Umbra Clan as well? Considering Sveta was able to wear the Umbra Gear and Volechek was able to start the Apollo Lens?

Although Sveta didn't become a light beastmen, because she wasn't there when it hit, she was able to spirit Matthew and cause his eyes to glow gold. Also she does have jupiter adepts abilities- which equals luna above all else.

Could Sveta be able to wield dark and light psynergy?
Making the beastmen the most powerful?

I like the idea that dark/light are more artificial elements then natural, yet I've always wondered if the Jenei created The Wise One - like how they created the watchmen. Also, even if most people disagree to the idea, that the psynergy vortexes are being manipulated through machines MADE by Tuaparang? (aka Umbra Clan in the past or present?)

Theories are theories,
but I like to try and understand anyways.

[sunsoulaevis]

@Lunar Exlipse: I'll agree with you on the Tuaparang are descendants of the Umbra clan. Mostly because of Alex mentioning Tuaparang are "scions" of the umbra clan, meaning descendants/kin of. Good catch btw.

But, I think it's more Umbra Clan -> Tuaparang -> Zenith Tribe
(going from ancient to present)

It's mentioned that Tuaparang was an ancient country, which, I would believe comes before Tuaparang claiming themselves the Zenith Tribe. As that was decades later... Granted we don't know for certain the country was called Tuaparang back in that time period...

We'll figure it out eventually if we keep bouncing the ideas around.

Oh that makes more sense.

Is it ever...that's why I had to come to the GSR to straighten it all out

MEOW - Were the beastmen in Belinsk (and Sveta) said to be of the ancient Umbra Clan as well? Considering Sveta was able to wear the Umbra Gear and Volechek was able to start the Apollo Lens?

Although Sveta didn't become a light beastmen, because she wasn't there when it hit, she was able to spirit Matthew and cause his eyes to glow gold. Also she does have jupiter adepts abilities- which equals luna above all else.

Could Sveta be able to wield dark and light psynergy?
Making the beastmen the most powerful?

I like the idea that dark/light are more artificial elements then natural, yet I've always wondered if the Jenei created The Wise One - like how they created the watchmen. Also, even if most people disagree to the idea, that the psynergy vortexes are being manipulated through machines MADE by Tuaparang? (aka Umbra Clan in the past or present?)

Theories are theories,
but I like to try and understand anyways.

IIRC it was never mentioned that Belinsk was descended of the Umbra Clan.

The reason Sveta was able to wear the Umbra Gear is because the Apollo Lens was built by ancient Jenei & Beastmen. Also, It wasn't mentioned which Jenei in paticular either. It may not matter who activates the lens, but the Umbra Gear provides protection only to Beastmen. So they are the most likely candidate for the operations of the machine. Otherwise the opertaor is burned to a crisp unless they are a being of darkness (like Volecheck was at the time) then again, that didn't end well either.

As for Sveta wielding light & dark. Uh, we know she has(had) the capacity to wield light via Eclipse Tower's ability. But, as for dark I dunno.
 
"We thought Luna was the basis of the beastmen's power, but sol empowers us too! Live & Learn. -Old beastman, post eclipse

If we go by that npc Sol meaning light & Luna meaning dark. It may be possible, I guess, but I don't put much faith in that at all.

Beastmen being the most poweful, Sveta was overpowered in her beastform, so I wouldn't argue that  too much. There may be more powerful races out there that we haven't met yet.

The wise one acts somewhat like a ward, but is more, uh...how to say, interactive. Wards warn & advise/instruct, but never carry out conversation like The wise one did. So not sure what to say there. I want to say The Wise One is ward 2.0, lol, no.

Tuaparang manipulating/creating the vortexes, eh we don't yet know for certain what that machine in Konpa was doing.

[Lunar Eclipse]

@Lunar Exlipse: I'll agree with you on the Tuaparang are descendants of the Umbra clan. Mostly because of Alex mentioning Tuaparang are "scions" of the umbra clan, meaning descendants/kin of. Good catch btw.

But, I think it's more Umbra Clan -> Tuaparang -> Zenith Tribe
(going from ancient to present)

It's mentioned that Tuaparang was an ancient country, which, I would believe comes before Tuaparang claiming themselves the Zenith Tribe. As that was decades later... Granted we don't know for certain the country was called Tuaparang back in that time period...

Oh, yeah, I do think Tuaparang was the ancient home of Umbra, but I think the Tuaparang they mention in Dark Dawn is separate from that Tuaparang. They're using the name to evoke a sense of their lost homeland, but I believe they're just referring to the airship as Tuaparang at the moment and will ultimately call whatever nation they build Tuaparang as well. They just consider themselves the people of Tuaparang seeking to revive the nation. Thus, in one sense I'd concede to your point since I think there was a specific Tuaparang for the Umbra Clan, but I believe there's also a vision for a new Tuaparang that the Zenith Tribe and its Empyror are trying to realize.

And yeah, the beastmen were specifically mentioned to have worked with the Jenei to construct and/or operate the Apollo Lens. It's not mentioned whether or not these beastkind laborers were also Adepts, so they might've been beast Exathi.

[LadyVale]

Beastmen being the most poweful, Sveta was overpowered in her beastform, so I wouldn't argue that  too much. There may be more powerful races out there that we haven't met yet.

The wise one acts somewhat like a ward, but is more, uh...how to say, interactive. Wards warn & advise/instruct, but never carry out conversation like The wise one did. So not sure what to say there. I want to say The Wise One is ward 2.0, lol, no.

Tuaparang manipulating/creating the vortexes, eh we don't yet know for certain what that machine in Konpa was doing.

Man I love using Sveta's beastform, punch enemies to death! So yes, very over powered sometimes, but if the beastmen are not the most powerful, then whom?

Prox. If they changed along with the Golden Sun they may have become an entirely new race (like a dragon humanoid perhaps since they are mars affiliated.) Also, I'm not quite sure but wasn't it said or theorized that it was the Prox people who helped in the sealing of the four elements?

I feel like I remember hearing that Prox was partially to blame for the reason they even sealed them away in the first place. Although they came back to save Weyard, could they have evolved into something more post-the lost age?

I fer sure want to see moar of Prox.

As for the wise one, I still look at him as a kind of ward, but he is the stone of sages and a philosopher stone afterall....

and I really want to know what the machine in Konpa ruins was doing.
Why house something like that in a ruins that was once made of pure gold?

[sunsoulaevis]

Man I love using Sveta's beastform, punch enemies to death! So yes, very over powered sometimes, but if the beastmen are not the most powerful, then whom?

Prox. If they changed along with the Golden Sun they may have become an entirely new race (like a dragon humanoid perhaps since they are mars affiliated.) Also, I'm not quite sure but wasn't it said or theorized that it was the Prox people who helped in the sealing of the four elements?

I feel like I remember hearing that Prox was partially to blame for the reason they even sealed them away in the first place. Although they came back to save Weyard, could they have evolved into something more post-the lost age?

I fer sure want to see moar of Prox.

As for the wise one, I still look at him as a kind of ward, but he is the stone of sages and a philosopher stone afterall....

and I really want to know what the machine in Konpa ruins was doing.
Why house something like that in a ruins that was once made of pure gold?

I didn't much like Sveta's beastform, it felt like I was cheating at an already terribly easy game. Looked awesome though.

Yeah, that's something I would like clarified proxians having a dragon form or not. Because, we've never seen one transform by means other than fusion, or (IMO) possibly outside influences (Wise one), with Karst & Agatio.

But, my reason for saying they aren't the most powerful is because we don't know what's out in the reborn Weyard. There may be races that just popped up in a similar manner to beastmen.

The Wise One. He really gets me thinking. His description in DD's Encyclopedia says he was "forged" and "is now known to be what the ancients called a philosopher's stone" That right there says a lot, and nothing at the same time.

Philosopher's stone in definition (in actual alchemy) mirrors that of Kradens description of the Stone of Sages. "The wisdom stone...the Stone of Sages. This stone dominates everything. It can transmute crude matter into gold, even thwart death itself" -Kraden

So, I believe you're right on the nose about that. Some may disagree, but I find it plausible.

The interesting part, Kraden said the stone of sages forms when the golden sun forms. So the question is, is there another "philosopher's stone" out there with the formation of the golden sun? Perhaps, Alex, is, in a way one?

Answering your questions with questions seems counter productive.

I could theorize on the Tuaparangs machine but, it'd have no basis what so ever. So, I won't for now.

The Konpa Ruins I've had a gut feeling about it ever since I ran into that place on dd, that something more is/was there.

You posting about The Wise One & Konpa made me think of something.

The Wise One in theory (if it is a philosopher's stone/stone of sages) can transmute crude matter to gold....Like, say, maybe, Konpa Ruins?

Maybe it awakens the temple for it's true purpose.

The ruins were once gold, but we did not see such in DD.
"The once-glittering Konpa Ruins: These stone ruins are thought to have been a spectacular temple covered in gold. It's ancient nature is still under study, but scholars believe its gold was the ultimate symbol of alchemy"-bookcase at Carver's camp

"Within this place we celebrate the gift of psynergy and pay homage to the natural world for it's rich bounty."-Pillar in Konpa Ruins

"The glorious power held within these hallowed halls will be released again, when the world once more has need of it"-Pillar in Konpa Ruins
^
Could be talking about the glyph book, but not sure.

Also, the encyclopedia entry states it was a hub for ancient adepts to share ideas with visitors. So it had some sort of importance in the past.


What does it all mean?
I dunno, haven't gotten that far yet...I have my strong suspicions though.


Apparently, if you mention Konpa to me I go into a lengthy tangent about it.

[LadyVale]

This is all well and good about the Konpa Ruins, but that are a few other symbols I noticed by chance. I'm not 100% positive on it but I used it as a base in my fanficition.

The Konpa Ruins had a single statue in the first entrance that appeared to look like a wheel. Since I'm basing much of the game off tarot cards- I came to only one conclusion: the wheel of fortune.

"The Wheel of Fortune suggests that there are external factors that are influencing your situation that may be unknown to you or outside of your control. It is as though the Universe is just dishing up whatever it pleases at this time, and it can feel quite unpredictable and unnerving as a result (especially if you like being in control most of the time!). This is one of the challenging aspects of the Wheel of Fortune since no matter which way the Wheel of Fortune turns, it is impossible to try and change it. So, you might as well try to accept what is happening and adapt accordingly. If a crisis seems inevitable, recall that in every crisis lies opportunity. When you have been pushed in a new direction, know that every path leads somewhere, even if you do not know where it is. Such events are simply out of your control, and if you can accept that then the ride gets a lot easier. If you struggle against the Wheel it will crush you. So just go with the flow."

Although this explanation describes what happens in DD - it doesn't do much for the whole golden ruins though. The only idea that I had floating around about the Konpa was just the Glyph Book (since I know Alex was refused it) but IF IF IF it has anything to do with Alchemy (which this game always does) then perhaps there was gold at one point. Yet no substance that appears commonly in nature will destroy gold, so either it was taken- or the gold was used in accordance with the machine?

but this might not even be important over all, however, gold is a VERY important element.

The interesting part, Kraden said the stone of sages forms when the golden sun forms. So the question is, is there another "philosopher's stone" out there with the formation of the golden sun? Perhaps, Alex, is, in a way one?

I do not recall Kraden saying that so I ask for sauce- but if he did, that's interesting.

Alex, or Isaac, are NOT in any way a philosopher stone. They do hold a certain amount of the Golden Sun's power but they're not completely 'immortal' or gods (since the highest rank you can be is a god, yet the term is not used in GS). Makes me kind of think of Hohenheim from FMA - could Alex be in that kind of state?

I mean- Alex is mercury afterall, so all he needed was a little SUN. He's the closest person to -allpowerfull- aside from The Wise One. Even if new races spawned, Alex still has immense power that we haven't fully seen yet. He can't just be lazy- I KNOW he has some wicked moves.  Like, he can mindread now.

[sunsoulaevis]

This is all well and good about the Konpa Ruins, but that are a few other symbols I noticed by chance. I'm not 100% positive on it but I used it as a base in my fanficition.

The Konpa Ruins had a single statue in the first entrance that appeared to look like a wheel. Since I'm basing much of the game off tarot cards- I came to only one conclusion: the wheel of fortune.

"The Wheel of Fortune suggests that there are external factors that are influencing your situation that may be unknown to you or outside of your control. It is as though the Universe is just dishing up whatever it pleases at this time, and it can feel quite unpredictable and unnerving as a result (especially if you like being in control most of the time!). This is one of the challenging aspects of the Wheel of Fortune since no matter which way the Wheel of Fortune turns, it is impossible to try and change it. So, you might as well try to accept what is happening and adapt accordingly. If a crisis seems inevitable, recall that in every crisis lies opportunity. When you have been pushed in a new direction, know that every path leads somewhere, even if you do not know where it is. Such events are simply out of your control, and if you can accept that then the ride gets a lot easier. If you struggle against the Wheel it will crush you. So just go with the flow."

Although this explanation describes what happens in DD - it doesn't do much for the whole golden ruins though. The only idea that I had floating around about the Konpa was just the Glyph Book (since I know Alex was refused it) but IF IF IF it has anything to do with Alchemy (which this game always does) then perhaps there was gold at one point. Yet no substance that appears commonly in nature will destroy gold, so either it was taken- or the gold was used in accordance with the machine?

but this might not even be important over all, however, gold is a VERY important element.

I do not recall Kraden saying that so I ask for sauce- but if he did, that's interesting.

Alex, or Isaac, are NOT in any way a philosopher stone. They do hold a certain amount of the Golden Sun's power but they're not completely 'immortal' or gods (since the highest rank you can be is a god, yet the term is not used in GS). Makes me kind of think of Hohenheim from FMA - could Alex be in that kind of state?

I mean- Alex is mercury afterall, so all he needed was a little SUN. He's the closest person to -allpowerfull- aside from The Wise One. Even if new races spawned, Alex still has immense power that we haven't fully seen yet. He can't just be lazy- I KNOW he has some wicked moves.  Like, he can mindread now.

Actually mentioning sataues at Konpa at the entrance there are four human-esque statues, which, to me look like what I'd guess to be sages(Men, in what looks like cloaks). Also, there is a tower in the center depicting the four elements with a emblem of gold above it...

Then, there was a psynergy vortex there in the cave underneath it. And by Isaac's theory: "The vortexes are pure anti-psynergy created by dense concentrations of psynergy"

So, there is possibly an abundance of psynergy at Konpa as well...

I just strongly beleive that there is more to Konpa than it seems.


As for the stone of sages thing. I may have misstepped a bit. As it seems Kraden was unsure:

"He[Alex] Understands far more than you do. He knows when the four beacons have been lit...their light will gather at sol sanctum." -Wise One

"And it's that light that gives shape to the stone of sages?"-Kraden to Wise One

Of course he gets no answer.

But, Then there is this:

"If I remeber the tales correctly...
The golden sun is the blast of light emitted at the very moment the Stone of sages forms..."-Puelle

I think Kraden mentions it a time before then, but not 100% certain. I'll review my notes.

The part about Alex:

I was just going by what he mentions.

"At last I have it! Eternal life...and limitless power!"-Alex atop Mt.Aleph

Sounds similar as to what garet brings up. And what Kraden said before.

"Kraden once mentioned the stone of sages. Do you think that's what did it[about Babi's extended life]?"

If you answer "no"

Have you forgotten about the stone of sages?

answer "yes"

"It rules over all, can change anything to gold, grants immortality. Ring a bell?" -Garet

Just a coincidence that it sounds similar, maybe.

[--=ηιтє-ηιηנα=--]

And about the stone of Sages... If I gathered that correctly, odds are, that the Stone isn't created to the bearer of the light (like when Alex stood in the center of the blast), but more if the stone formed inside (what is left) of Sol Sanctum.

The mountain collapsed, taking Sol Sanctum, Vale, and everything else around it. So odds are, and since it was never brought up in DD, that the stone was never actually discovered and still lies buried in the ruins (with Alex possibly within, assuming he was able to survive, and manage to find his way inside the Sanctum ruins.

[Lunar Eclipse]

Er, isn't it possible that the Golden Sun and the Stone of Sages are pretty much one and the same or, at the very least, that the core of the Golden Sun is the Stone? It already exhibits several characteristics of the Stone. It emits a golden light, which may vaguely refer to the fact that it turns things to gold, and even without directly possessing it, it grants those exposed to its influence nearly limitless life by slowing their aging to a crawl. If one could harness its full power, I imagine it would completely halt the ravages of time. So yeah, I'm not sure that the Stone needs to be something separate.